The Third Magic is a Scam?

Archer pointing out that the one Magic Fate focused on is the one that fucked up

As we know, there are five modern True Magics in the Type-Moon setting. True Magic refers to miracles that cannot be reproduced through any amount of resources, effort, or technological advancement. Magecraft, while powerful, operates on the principle of equivalent exchange: magical energy is offered to the world, and in return, the world permits the desired phenomenon to occur, depending on the magus’s skill, lineage, and capacity.

However, Magecraft is fundamentally constrained by the laws of physics and reality as defined by Gaia; the planet’s self-regulating system. True Magic, by contrast, does not adhere to any such restrictions. It is a form of impossible interference: a power that is not just rare but categorically unnatural, universally applicable, and unbound by the rules of any particular world. Because it transcends Gaia’s system, it requires no magical energy to fuel it: the laws it invokes come from beyond the world’s logic altogether. This is why True Magicians (also called Sorcerers) are so few in number, and why their existence carries such cosmic significance within the Type-Moon universe.

But, as you may have guessed from the title of this blog, something about the Third Magic feels off. What do I mean by that? Simply put, compared to the others, it not only seems far less impressive in scope, but even appears to contradict the thematic logic of the rest of the system.

So first, let’s review the other True Magics. What are they, and what makes them so extraordinary?

-Starting from the First Magic, it is known as Stillness, Suspension, or Stasis. It is embodied by Araya Souren, whose Origin (the foundational concept driving his soul and defining his power and personality) represents this very principle, making it a natural consequence of his very existence:

Although Araya is average as a magus, his talents relating to Bound Field construction are exceptional.

A bound field divides what is inside from the outside. In order to construct a complete world from his own body, first Araya must complete himself.

Araya, who has no exceptional talents, is able to become a first-class bound field master by completing himself through the accumulation of ages and sheer determination.

That which divides the inside from the outside — Kara no Kyoukai is his story.

Araya symbolizes the paradoxical spiral, the most important event in this tale.

Talking about the impossible, what Araya accomplished is like achieving the pinnacle within a field while being completely oblivious of even the name of this subject field.

– Garden of sinners Pamphlet: Kara no Kyoukai Settings Glossary

Stillness allows Araya to separate himself from the rules of the outside world, embodying the very premise of True Magic: his very soul is “stopped” and cannot be interacted with. Even death is unable to claim him; he simply restores his body and ignores the natural law of decay.

The mage's discourse continues. "As a reference, I do not die. My origin is 'suspension'. Someone who has woken to their origin becomes ruled by that origin itself. Someone who has already stopped - how can you kill him?" Shiki doesn't reply. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5 

 

Araya Souren was not like some Puppeteer who had died after preparing a completely identical copy. He still had not experienced death. His body had rotted away several times over the years, each time this happened he maintained his consciousness and so far continued to live on. Araya Souren was only one person. If this body perished, there would be no refuge next time. Things had to be handled carefully. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5 

He can naturally exert this state of being through the technique known as Bounded Field, or Ward, a conceptual boundary that divides an area from the outside, turning it into its own independent world. The higher-level versions are capable of rewriting the very laws governing the space. Naturally, being a 1:1 match with his soul, Araya mastered them by accident as he studied reality and how it could be isolated from random change. This consists, as the quote stated, in his capacity to “create a complete world from his own body,” with his only limitation being the knowledge of the mechanisms he wants to include in his bounded fields.

During Kara no Kyoukai, Araya Souren completed his knowledge by analyzing all forms of death in a loop, deeply internalizing them:

Within this building that repeats the spiral of daily life, the original form of all the deaths that humans experience is swirling around. The records that the physical body called Araya Souren contained until now, this building has succeeded him as their container. This place was him, his will itself.

... So, that meant that she was inside his body.

Touko observed the atmosphere filling the lobby as she muttered to herself. The strained air wasn't for Araya's benefit. Rather, it was the soundless hatred of all the residents who had been murdered by this building.

This amount of hatred that threatens to crush even her, day by day, Araya keeps expanding it. To borrow his words it wasn't the amount he was increasing but the quality. Since in the end, all those hundreds of deaths were but one identical way of dying.

Murder born from love, in other words family, lover, mother, father, child.

Murder born of hatred, in other words family, lover, friend, upperclassman, stranger.

Various ways of dying for various reasons.

Repeated everyday, a conclusion that keeps getting clearer.

--- Death, becoming denser.

This building is a spell. An altar constructed to solidify Araya Soren's will. In order to carry out magecraft of a grand scale you needed not only an incantation and your own prana, but also the sacrifice of other lives and the strength of the land itself. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

What’s important is not the quantity of death. It is the quality of death. Tracing back to the source, the forms a death can take can be categorized into broader distinctions. Dissecting the possibilities of death into every possible route, I arrived at the sixty-four possibilities present here. Here I have gathered the people who shoulder those varieties of death. Therefore, this place is a microcosm of the whole world. By experiencing their suffering, I am able to comprehend their suffering. I am able to simplify the eight divine signs into four simple forms and arrive at Ryougi, the Two Forms.” - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

These 64 deaths he identified are not random: they are the most foundational archetypes behind all forms of clash and contradiction. The very blueprints dictating “if X encounters Y, they will clash, and if out of control, they will return to Nothingness.” The complexity, scale, and time of all beings or domains involved are secondary in this case. They are all infinite variations deriving from these fundamental schemes for interaction. By internalizing them, Araya was able to simplify them into broader forms until reaching total control over Yin and Yang, which govern all change outside the One, the omnipotent source of existence: 

Taiji [Others]

A philosophical concept originating in ancient China, the Taiji is a graphical representation of the Yin-Yang theory. It captures the essence of existence on a conceptual level: what is active is defined as Yang (white), and what is passive is defined as Yin (black).

The Taiji symbolizes opposing concepts such as day and night, light and darkness, male and female, and so on. It is also a condensed version of the ever-changing, dynamic nature of the world. Furthermore, there is a dot of Yin within Yang, and a dot of Yang within Yin, indicating that the distinction between the two is not absolute. Darkness exists even within light.

The Taiji represents the "One" at the beginning; the division of the "One" into Yin and Yang is referred to as Liangyi, or "Ryougi." - Kara no Kyoukai Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: Taiji

This is a continuation on the subject of the Taiji, but the division of the chaotic 「　」 into two is Ryougi. In order to further stabilize this, and in order to increase the number of classes available, they divide it into four phenomena. They then further increase the complexity by cutting it into eight trigrams. Like this, they keep dividing by a base of two. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

By understanding and placing all archetypal deaths into stasis, Araya has essentially generated a microcosm of the world where all possible phenomena are suspended and unable to change unless under his instructions.

This allows his bounded field to cross over into True Magic, achieving complete disconnection of space:

“Sure, you didn’t make a mistake. For you as a Magus, this is the best solution. But, what if the assumption itself is a mistake? You isolated Shiki? Not in a room somewhere in this apartment complex, but you isolated her in this apartment complex itself? A Bounded Field that achieves spacial isolation is already on the level of Magic. It’s a miracle that only a Bounded Field expert like you could create. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

"Try listening to what someone is saying. A ward itself does no harm. That word, it originates from Buddhism. A ward is always something that isolates an area from the outside world, although it has somehow come to represent technique by which a magician protects his or her body.

Understand? I said this just before, but the best wards don't feel weird to a normal person. Let's call it "an idea which forces itself on the unconscious mind". The best of the best reach the stage of "disconnection of space"; but to go that far you are looking at magicians rather than sorcerers. Currently there's only one magician in this country, so basically that kind of ward just can't be formed. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 4

No, it wasn't magecraft. A mystery that used a twisted dimension of this level was already no longer on the level of magecraft.

This was --- that was right, a mystery of a province unreachable with today's knowledge. There was no doubt that this was an act of absolute power that human hands could not reach, magic. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

By cutting off all possible interactions, Araya Souren becomes able to turn his bounded fields into fully independent cosmos that are isolated from the laws of physics, just as True Magic dictates:

A twisted dimension of this level should be completely separated from the physical laws of the outside world. Preparations for opening the path were finished long ago, Aozaki." - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

The bounded field extends across the entire land, not just the apartment complex:

“The Magus escaped from the apartment complex within his own body, to the garden outside of his body.

A green lawn enclosed the apartment complex’s garden; it was within the Bounded Field but not a part of the apartment complex itself. Even if the building was destroyed, this was the only place that would remain unaffected by the impact.” - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5 

The building itself is a direct manifestation of Araya’s body, which had become a self-contained, perfected embodiment of the Taiji, the fundamental framework of Yin and Yang:

A temple of Taiji. It could be called the artificial manifestation of the inner landscape of Araya Souren, who did not have a Reality Marble.

— Garden of sinners Pamphlet: Kara no Kyoukai Settings Glossary

“Wait Araya. I have one question. The original purpose of this apartment complex is to represent the Taiji in order to take in the Taiji, wasn’t it?”

“Indeed. I created this alien world to completely cut off Ryougi Shiki from the outside world. The other various functions are just accessories.” - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

 

As stated, this space functions as the equivalent of a Reality Marble; a personal world generated by a living being and forcibly imposed upon reality:

① Intrinsic Bounded Field (Also see the entry for “Marble”)
② The name “marble” comes from glass marbles used in a well-known example of the clustering illusion.
③ A subspecies of Marble Phantasm. One’s inner world is given shape through world interference that erodes reality.
④ More specifically, a Reality Marble is thought to be realized when a multitude of phenomena are interfered with probability-wise, forcibly invoking the impossible.
⑤ Originally the common knowledge of otherworldly beings referred to as “demons.” Though a skill of fairies and demons, after extensive time and practice one can acquire the ability to give shape to images in your mind. A few of the top magi and Dead Apostle Ancestors are capable of employing a Reality Marble.
⑥ However, objects created by a Reality Marble are at best still existences from another world, which means they are not creations of spirits that are extensions of nature, and so they are subject to being corrected or modified by the world. - Colorful Moon Tsukihime: Reality Marble

Normally, Reality Marbles are temporary, unstable constructs. They are subject to correction by the world’s systems and limited by the narrow, singular desires of their users. But Araya is different: his domain is not just a Reality Marble; it is a replica of the Taiji, encompassing all Yin-Yang interactions, granting him infinite versatility. Even more critically, it is enforced by Stillness, the concept of absolute separation, which renders it permanent and untouchable by the world’s laws. This is what elevates it to the level of True Magic.

Even infinity itself falls under Araya’s authority:

“There is no need for concern. I have not imprisoned her in a room within the apartment complex. I have thrown her into Mugen, the infinite void, that connects the material world to the otherworld.

The primary purpose of this distorted alien world was to create a closed loop. By no means, no matter the method or the impact, could one escape from the darkness of Mugen. Even if Ryougi Shiki were to awaken, there is nothing she could do. Monitoring her is unnecessary. Besides, given her injuries, even standing would be difficult. Even if she wakes, her body will be incapable of moving properly.” - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

No weapon could interfere with a sealed world where the space was chained together infinitely with no exit. Because it had no shape, physical weapons that can only interact with physical objects couldn’t clash with it. But, Ryougi Shiki’s power was precisely one that targeted such formless things. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

Mugen, normally a boundless void connecting separate realities, is here trapped in a self-contained circuit, a domain “infinitely chained together with no exit.” This is not simply an infinite void, but an infinite stasis that denies all forms of motion and actualization. That’s precisely why Araya trapped Ryougi Shiki, whose Origin represents the Taiji itself, inside of it: a case of infinite, inert potential actively prevented from becoming actual.

The true conceptual form of this domain is also described as being based on a Möbius Ring:

“Sure, you didn’t make a mistake. For you as a Magus, this is the best solution. But, what if the assumption itself is a mistake? You isolated Shiki? Not in a room somewhere in this apartment complex, but you isolated her in this apartment complex itself? A Bounded Field that achieves spatial isolation is already on the level of Magic. It’s a miracle that only a Bounded Field expert like you could create.

Those who are trapped by the sealed space of a Möbius Ring can never get out from the inside. A closed world that’s enclosed by walls can’t be destroyed by physical impacts — it’s a cage that’s impossible to escape from. You slapped Shiki in there, which gave you peace of mind.”

— Kara no Kyoukai, Chapter 5

A Möbius Ring is a closed loop where inside and outside collapse into a single, continuous dead end: one that always returns to its starting point. This structure governs Araya’s world, a recursive spiral where all things are negated, looping endlessly into either death, inactivity, or his will.

So to summarize, Araya Souren’s True Magic is the ability to create from nothing: an independent reality where all possible phenomena are constrained by conceptual, infinitely self-referential boundaries that ensure only his will governs the domain.

The Kara no Kyoukai pamphlet ultimately affirms this as the domain of the First Magic:

Ether Lump

Ether, the Fifth Imaginary Substance as coined by the Association. It is a necessary medium that gives shape by mixing with the Four Elements.

It is shapeless, but it is a critical element in the functioning of magecraft.

Ether is bound to become one of Earth, Water, Fire and Wind, but in the hands of a novice, it would fail to become one of the Four Elements and materialize. This is ether lump.

Ether lump is completely useless. In some sense, creating ether lump is analogous to creating “Nothingness.” Looking at it from this perspective makes it sound like “True Magic” In fact, ether lump is originally the First Magic’s———

Garden of sinners Pamphlet: Kara no Kyoukai Settings Glossary

The First Magic is fundamentally about “creating Nothingness.” But this “Nothingness” isn’t just absence: it refers to the Root, or “Kara”, the Spiral of Origin. As explained in Kara no Kyoukai:

If you really wished to pronounce this term, call it “Kara.” Its meaning varied depending on each individual’s understanding. To put it in simple terms, it was the Spiral of Origin. However, since the Spiral of Origin was called the Spiral of Origin, it was no longer “ ”.
— Garden of sinners Pamphlet: Kara no Kyoukai Settings Glossary

The swirl of the Root is a “place” where all causalities interlace, where all things are in potential, and therefore where nothing is whatsoever.
— Kara no Kyoukai Epilogue

So when it’s said that the First Magic is about “creating Nothingness,” it means generating a state of pure potential, a sealed space that contains all possible things, yet obeys no external rule. It is self-contained creation born from absence. This is exactly what Stillness achieves: halting reality, denying all external interference, and generating a vacuum of causality where things can be rewritten from within. It is an absence that paradoxically allows for infinite freedom.

The foundation of this magic is Ether Lump, an element that fails to manifest into any of the Four Elements and therefore does not truly “exist” unless acted upon. Ether Lump is inert; a formless pseudo-element that holds pure potential without expression. By refining it, one doesn’t merely produce a failed element, but an actual void, a space devoid of natural law, where reality can be freely created and defined.

This is precisely what Stillness accomplishes: by halting all phenomena and reducing them to inert potential, it allows for their restructuring and transformation according to will. In essence, Stillness enables the free shaping of existence from within a state of absolute suspension, just like the First Magic’s domain.

-Moving on to the Second Magic, it governs the complete system of Parallel Worlds and timelines, the full scope of the multiverse: 

It allows Zelretch, its wielder, to manipulate time at the highest conceptual level. With it, he can:

• Travel freely between parallel worlds

• Replace phenomena or individuals with alternate versions from other timelines

• Alter the course of events and rewrite history

• Send attacks through different points in time

• Jump between positions on the time axis

• Apply future outcomes to the present, or displace present events into the far future, 

-among many other applications.

This vast control over multiversal time is what enabled him to eventually defeat the Crimson Moon:

Also note is that magic doesn’t follow the rules of magecraft, a big reason Crimson Moon lost to Zelretch is due to not fully grasping this. - Colorful MOON Tsukihime

The Crimson Moon is the Ultimate One of the Moon, an embodiment of that celestial body’s will, and therefore possesses full control over its reality and laws, including mastery over magecraft and physics. Yet, Zelretch defeated him precisely because True Magic does not obey the rules of any single reality. Even though Crimson Moon governs all causality and laws within Earth’s world, Zelretch’s narrower focus on time grants him complete freedom across the multiverse. While Zelretch cannot directly override Crimson Moon’s vast reality-warping abilities in sheer versatility, he can select alternate timelines and bring outcomes into the present that defy the Ultimate One’s understanding; effectively bypassing his absolute control over that single iteration of the Moon and Gaia. 

Imagine Crimson Moon’s power as a master artist with complete control over a single enormous canvas. He can paint, erase, and reshape every inch of this one canvas perfectly, controlling every detail and rule within its borders. His canvas is infinite in detail and scope, but it is just one painting, fixed and confined to that single frame.

On the other hand, Zelretch’s power is like having a library of countless canvases, thousands upon thousands of paintings, each representing a different version of reality across parallel worlds. Zelretch can’t change every detail within any one painting as completely as Crimson Moon can, but he can move freely between all these canvases, pulling parts from one painting and overlaying them onto another. This means he can combine elements from different realities to create new effects that no single painting’s artist could predict or control.

So, while Crimson Moon’s control over his one canvas is absolute, Zelretch’s advantage lies in his ability to navigate and manipulate the entire multiverse of canvases, bringing unexpected elements into play and circumventing the limits of any single reality.

This highlights the immense potential of True Magic: a cosmic force consistent across all realities, capable of transcending the laws of any world and even challenging Ultimate Ones themselves.

-The Fourth is unknown sadly, and we have no info on it. So there is nothing to say here.

-Finally, the Fifth Magic is wielded by Aoko Aozaki. Simply by tapping into this power, she can defeat the entire universe in a direct reality-warping contest, overriding the natural order itself with her will:

This establishes a precedent of incredible power. Even when used on a smaller scale, the Fifth Magic can mimic the capabilities of the Second Magic, demonstrating that the vast multiversal authority of Zelretch is ultimately subordinate to the Fifth Magic’s dominion:

But what is the true domain of the Fifth then? Well, this miracle is strongly suggested to govern Entropy: the inevitable decay and disordering of all systems, marking the shift from order to chaos.

"...The long and short of it is, you died. Then you came back to life.

After you were killed by Touko, Aoko rewound the five minutes before you opened your eyes.

Meanwhile, she used roughly ten years of your time.

Neither of you changed physically, so she must've borrowed time from you mentally.

That's why right now, this beautiful scenery would only bring back memories for Aoko, in possession of your time.

And..."

And once the time exchange was over, neither Aoko nor Soujyuro would remember what happened during these moments.

When Aoko used someone else to channel her True Magic, it did not affect her alone.

If she had rewound time for only herself, the temporal inconsistencies would form part of her own experience; however, this was proper time travel.

The inconsistencies would be corrected.

When the Magic ended,

both Aoko's memories of this place

and Soujyuro's unfamiliarity with it

would be corrected.

This miracle would become unrealized.

Only the observers would remember this brilliant white sea of flowers: Alice and Touko. "There was no way to resurrect you, so instead Aoko attempted to circumvent your death completely.

Perhaps because she was unable, or because she was hesitant,

she avoided any large-scale manipulation, and settled for a smaller exchange between the two of you.

"That means you've effectively jumped through time by five minutes.

Even if someone from the distant future was able to look through time, they couldn't find you in those five minutes, because you don't exist in regular time anymore."

"Simultaneously, Aoko borrowed your time to advance her own.

More than likely, time from your childhood. From what I understand, individual time manipulation is easier when using forgotten memories... Sizuki?"

"Should I slow down?" Alice asked with her eyes.

All Soujyuro could do was nod.

"...So, Aoko used two miracles.

She rewound your body, and fast-forwarded her own.

When going into your time, she borrowed ten years of yours to bring her future self closer."

"Therefore, the one trying to kill Touko right now is actually an Aoko Aozaki with twenty seven years of experience."

- Mahoutsukai no Yoru Chapter 12

As stated here, Aoko utilized a small-scale alteration to manipulate time without destabilizing the universe’s system (as she did when she first accessed the Magic earlier). She removed the five minutes of Shizuki’s death and removed it from the regular flow of time, all while fast-forwarding her own time by ten years, using Shizuki’s own ten years of childhood as "fuel" for the alteration.

Why is that? Well, again, Aoko restricted herself to small scale uses of her Fifth to avoid doing damage to reality, respecting the rules of causality: by “stealing” Shizuki’s 10 years, she uses it as currency to bring her own 10 years into the present.

However, she could not find a way to compensate for the five minutes of his death, which is explained in the following scene, shedding more light on her Magic’s domain:

 

It was the death of Soujyuro Sizuki.

If she had brought him back five minutes to when he was still alive, where would those five minutes go?

Aoko's Magic wasn't using parallel worlds to change this one.

She had only rewound Soujyuro's five minutes.

Then, logically, he'd return to being a corpse as soon as the Magic ended.

Time travel that didn't change the world couldn't change the past.

Therefore...

If she wanted to save him, she had to either truly resurrect him, or send those five minutes of reality somewhere far away without returning them! "Answer me, Aoko! What did you do with his time?!

How're you going to balance all that heat?!"

"How the hell should I know?! I tossed his time somewhere into the distant future!"

Faced with such madness, Touko wanted to cover her eyes.

She put the debt of the present in the distant future?

A time paradox would've been more humane.

Such an enormous, haphazard consumption of heat could not be allowed.

After all, time travel alone required a massive amount of energy.

Magical energy was required to bring things from somewhere else;

at the same time, losing something that exists here consumed an incredible amount of energy.

And what about the magical energy used for cooling?

If either fell out of equilibrium, it would mean total chaos.

The distortion caused by her Magic would come to affect this entire sector of space.

"How... How in the HELL can you be so dumb?!

You're going to pile that debt onto the dead end that humanity will reach? You're going to lay it at the feet of the heat death of the universe?

That's like hanging a world-ending meteor over the head of this planet!

Or are you planning on crushing the Earth under your own weight?!"

"Wh..."

That last comment made Aoko's eyes widen.

Her every step exerted such force it broke the floorboards beneath her feet.

"I'll worry about that later! Next time I'll put the debt in the past! That better?!

Then only the past will be crushed by the distortion!"

"That's your master plan?!

Save the present by destroying the past?!

That saves us, but what about the heat problem, and the burden on the rest of the universe?!"

Exactly.

Even if the universe were closed, or the present were still expanding,

the absurd increase in heat consumption would become uncontrollable.

That which waits for the end of infinite expansion,

infinite consumption,

and infinite growth is a future without hope.

The nothingness before creation.

Eventually the universe would burn up.

"Your-I mean, the Aozaki's Magic only makes that conclusion more certain! And that's on you!"

"Don't you think I know that already?!

I'll figure it out! As long as I live, I'll figure something out!" - Mahoutsukai no Yoru Chapter 12

This passage nearly explicitly confirms the Fifth is about Entropy. Aoko doesn’t access different parallel worlds to bring their outcomes into the current one, like Zelretch does. Instead, she modifies time on the singular timeline she occupies, “borrowing” from other events of similar length or significance. When she took Shizuki’s childhood memory, she used it as fuel to borrow ten years of her own future experience, allowing her to gain the strength to defeat Touko without unleashing the large-scale destructive potential of her true Magic, which can overcome the entire universe.

She couldn’t find a way to balance the removal of Shizuki’s death, so she recklessly placed those five minutes into the distant future. According to Touko, this causes an extreme imbalance of “heat,” a metaphor here for magical energy—the fundamental fuel that sustains and actualizes phenomena across the cosmos. By carelessly altering the continuity of outcomes, Aoko destabilizes the equilibrium of this energy displacement, accelerating the universe toward its “heat death”: the state of maximal entropy, or Nothingness before creation.

Essentially, Aoko “steals” events from the universe’s causal fabric and swaps them with others, balancing magical energy flow like currency. The universe has limited “fuel” for sustaining creation and change, so destabilizing that flow risks accelerating cosmic decay.

This understanding of the Fifth Magic also aligns perfectly with Kara no Kyoukai’s metaphysics.

Araya discovered the 64 blueprints governing all possible interactions between distinct forces. These blueprints act as safeguards, strict laws beyond the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception. When interactions become too extreme or incoherent, these safeguards trigger an immediate return to Nothingness.

Essentially, every interaction between distinct forces follows these blueprints, and if the interaction goes too far without resolution, death is instant. This reflects MEoDP’s core concept: everything has an inherent flaw or limit, and when these are triggered, reality’s coherence breaks down and it returns to Nothingness.

The 64 Deaths are those exact laws; conditions which, when met, force existence back to void.

Therefore, the Fifth Magic is the cosmic force that manages this system of interactions, ensuring they unfold in a balanced, controlled manner rather than abruptly spiraling into chaos. Reckless use of the Fifth accelerates this process, forcing the 64 Deaths to act faster and pushing the universe toward an early demise.

This is why it’s said the Fifth Magic “has long lost its significance”: the universe is ultimately finite and destined to end anyway. Interfering with its outcomes only hastens this inevitable decay, making such power somewhat obsolete on a cosmic scale. Users of the Fifth must respect these fundamental laws if they want the universe to persist.

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So now that we’ve covered the other Magics, why is the Third so unusual? According to Fate, the Third Magic is the materialization of the Soul:

Materialization of the soul, in other words, the magic that realizes true immortality. When accomplished, the practitioner will acquire an unlimited source of magical energy due to the soul becoming analogous to a perpetual motion machine. This is the Magic of the Einzbern lineage, and the Holy Grail War was established to acquire this Magic. -  Fate/complete material III: World material - Theory of Magic - Magecraft: "Magic" making the impossible possible, p.048

In short, it allows the soul to interact with creation without needing a physical body, manifesting instead as a higher-dimensional being with unlimited magical energy and biological immortality, no longer bound to a corporeal form.

But this is where it gets strange. Compared to the cosmic, universe-shaking powers of the other Magics, the Third feels significantly underwhelming. Rather than controlling fundamental aspects of existence, it simply brings an abstract concept, the soul, into the world. This isn’t so different from how magical energy is already used to manifest phenomena.

This leads to the biggest problem: the Third Magic doesn’t actually defy the world’s rules; it simply reaches a compromise. To manifest, the soul still needs an interface, something inherently flawed compared to the pure abstraction it originates from. This mirrors a major theme in Kara no Kyoukai: as long as something exists and can be defined, it is flawed and can die:

He had sufficient awareness to understand how she escaped the imprisoned space. Last night, the young lady had lost consciousness after several of her ribs were shattered by the Magus’s blow.

She had just recently awakened within the closed space, in the boundary set between the walls of the apartment complex. Within that impossible space she slashed through the impossible wall.

Infinity is not 「 」. For infinity to remain infinite, the finite has to be defined. Without the finite there cannot exist infinity. Because things have an end, we can observe the thing called infinity.

Ryougi Shiki had been cast into infinity, she saw the impossible finite and cut through it.

Of course, there is no finite inside of the infinite. You can’t slash through what doesn’t exist, so escape from such a cage is impossible. But, if there is no finite then there is no infinite. Whether finite walls exist or not, an endless world holds no meaning before Ryougi Shiki.

If there really is no finite, then it’s not infinite but 「 」. If the finite can be comprehended, Shiki could detect and slash through it.

... The black hole that should have been absolute was just a small dark room to his opponent. The Magus felt ashamed of himself. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5 Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

Even infinity, despite being limitless, is a construct we made up to understand something that has no limitations. But the very fact that we have understood it as "something" denies it lacking limits on an abstract level, since it is merely a label used to interpret various things within reality, not the actual immutable and perfect abstract form of Infinity in the Akashic Records, which is universal and can never be fully grasped, only used to describe and define fragments of it in creation. This is why MEoDP can kill even infinite voids: they are still infinite voids, whereas the abstract form of infinity is something that can be used to describe every possible thing that could ever be infinite. These specific interpretations are far from the real thing and thus can be ended, being subject to the fundamental truths of reality, like MEoDP.

This is precisely the core issue. The moment the soul manifests in the world, it becomes "something", a limited instance, no longer the pure abstraction it once was. As such, it falls under the same rules as everything else: it has boundaries, it can be defined, and thus, it can die. The soul isn't truly immortal; it may achieve biological and temporal immortality, but its existence remains subject to decay, contradictions, and the inherent imperfections of the material world. Eventually, some superior law or conflict will bring about its demise.

Moreover, possessing "infinite magical energy" simply means tapping into Gaia’s system without limit. This doesn’t break Gaia’s rules: it just maximizes what's already possible within them. It does not grant the ability to override those rules or to access alien magical systems governed by entirely different foundational logics.

So, in the end, what are we really left with? A soul that isn’t truly immortal in a broader, metaphysical sense, and whose power is confined to Gaia’s framework. But True Magic, by definition, is supposed to transcend the laws of any one reality.

Now, you might say, “But didn’t we just see how even the Second and Fifth have limitations?” Yes, but there’s a difference between intrinsic limitations and simply not qualifying as True Magic in function. The Third is about materializing the soul, but when critically examined, it doesn’t actually break the world’s laws. This is different from the Second, which, while exclusive to time and potentially outclassed by broader forms of reality-warping, is still limitless in the scope of temporal alteration it can perform. Likewise, the Fifth’s “limitations” only exist because Aoko chooses to preserve the universe’s balance. A user with no such restraint could easily use it without limits and collapse the system outright.

It’s especially baffling when Fate treats the Third Magic as the “taboo of all taboos,” when, compared to the others, it’s arguably the least transcendental of the True Magics, aside from the unknown Fourth:

How am I supposed to believe that creating a personal universe, manipulating all timelines, or even destroying the cosmos are somehow less significant than… crafting a more refined physical vessel with some less restrictions? And yes: it is physical, even in the loosest sense. No matter how complex or abstract it may seem, it’s still fundamentally material. It remains tethered to the world. It can never attain the perfection of those abstract forms that transcend reality precisely because they exist beyond it.

Furthermore, Mahoutsukai no Yoru, a work far more aligned with the older Type-Moon mythos than Fate, offers a revealing lens on the Five Magics. Though the visual novel was released in 2012, it adapts the original 1996 novel that laid the foundation for the Type-Moon universe shared with Kara no Kyoukai, DDD, Angel Notes, and the original Tsukihime.

Here's what Mahoyo says about the Magics:

« ...At the beginning, the First changed all.
...Next, the Second recognized many.
...In answer, the Third showed the future.
...Tethered, the Fourth concealed itself.
And the final Fifth had long since lost its significance.
Someone once said, "Had it only ended at the Third..." »

 - Mahoutsukai no Yoru Chapter 12

These are apt descriptions of what we’ve seen so far:

• The First, Suspension, “changed all”, dividing the undefined totality of creation into discrete entities through conceptual boundaries. It introduced structure, identity, and form.

• The Second “recognized many”, indexing those possibilities into all parallel outcomes and timelines, enabling navigation through infinite variations.

• The Fifth “lost its significance”, its misuse merely accelerates an inevitable collapse; it does not change the destination, only hastens its arrival.

But the Third? “Showed the future.” This doesn’t line up at all with what Fate presents. There, the Third Magic is the materialization of the soul: bodiless existence, magical autonomy, and biological immortality. But this doesn’t “reveal” any metaphysical future. It simply grants more freedom within the existing structure of the world.

In the older lore, including Kara no Kyoukai and Mahoyo, the future is not an open horizon. It’s a closed circuit. All roads lead back to Nothingness. That is the premise behind Stillness, the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Araya Souren’s pursuit of perfect understanding: that everything eventually decays and returns to void. Even Mahoyo reiterates this:

That which waits for the end of infinite expansion,

infinite consumption,

and infinite growth is a future without hope.

The nothingness before creation.

Eventually the universe would burn up. - Mahoutsukai no Yoru Chapter 12

So what “future” is the Third supposed to be showing? That humanity will “transcend” the physical and become truly free? That contradicts the metaphysical groundwork of the setting, groundwork that underpins Shiki’s arc, Araya’s research, Aoko’s restraint, and the very structure of the universe. This isn’t just a thematic aside: it’s the core logic of the older canon.

You might argue: “If humans can materialize the soul, maybe they won’t need the universe’s resources anymore.” But that misses the point. They still need reality itself. The Third doesn’t lift the soul into a higher abstract domain: it simply untethers it within the same dying system. And when that system ends, the soul dies with it. The path still ends in void.

So again, this “future” isn’t metaphysically valid or narratively significant enough to match the description. If anything, it suggests that Fate’s interpretation of the Third diverges sharply from its original concept. And that wouldn’t be surprising. In fact, it adds weight to the idea that Fate marked the first major canon divergence in the Type-Moon universe. If you’re curious, I can point you to a thread that explores that timeline split in detail.

The worst part of all of this? Roa himself proves the Third Magic is a failure:

"Immortality"

If those words are to be a grand reality, it would be one of the things which would define eternity. But in reality, nothing in existence has reached that level. For example, those vampires occasionally spoken of in legends are not immortal. After all, they are defective because they require stealing from others to exist. Furthermore, the fact that their supplemental parts have to be of the same species---in this case, generally referring to humans----means that they are not versatile at all. They call themselves the transcendent race, but that is not evolution, it is degeneration. That which cannot function independently in perpetuity cannot be called eternal. It is presumptuous to call something immortal if it depends on others to halt its aging. There already exists something close to perfection which can function independently in perpetuity. It feeds on itself and multiplies. It has no such thing as a lifespan. Old cells become food as nutrients and new cells are produced from it. Such as a jellyfish. However, it is perpetual only because it has no intelligence. If having no intelligence is fine, then it is no different from gaining eternity by death. 

 If you want to be eternal living as a human, it is impossible by the method of immortality. Long years destroy the body and wear away flexibility of the mind. Immortality or eternity. I have no attachment to stained immortality. Persistently maintaining individuality makes eternity unattainable. Instead of gaining immortality as a single human, I chose the infinity in which I continue to exist eternally. 

If no other humans existed, I would not be able to confirm my own self. So----if humans become extinct, then continuing to live would be worthless. At that point, my immortality would end. 

...... I do not understand your theory. That is far from the thesis of eternity, Serpent. 

No, it is eternity. When a time comes to perish, everything should perish. If observers cease to exist, then that means everything is unchanging. The eternity I embody is temporary until that time occurs. I cannot turn everything into nothingness. Therefore, I will continue living until it happens. - Tsukihime: Near Side - Ciel's route: Day 4/Black Beast II

Roa directly states that even if the body becomes immortal, the mind or the soul will still decay. Even biological immortality, like that observed in certain jellyfish, is hollow: it only works because there is no conscious mind to wear down. If that’s the goal, then it's no different from “gaining eternity by death.”

His solution? To reincarnate endlessly, leaping from body to body until the end of the universe; so long as there are still people to observe and confirm his existence. That, in his view, was the only real path to escape erasure in a world governed by inevitability.

And this isn’t some second-rate sorcerer we’re talking about. Roa was a top-tier magus who reached the absolute limit of what a human body can withstand. He was called upon to fight Demon Lords, manipulated numerology, the very structure behind Gaia’s physical laws, and later wielded Arcueid’s essence, threatening even the entirety of the Dead Apostle Ancestors. If anyone was capable of achieving real immortality, it was him.

Yet even he recognized that once the soul is materialized, it’s still bound to reality and its flaws.

Moreover, Roa isn’t naïve about the ultimate fate of all things. He explicitly acknowledges that the return to nothingness is inevitable. His goal was never to escape that fate completely; only to delay it as long as possible. This alone proves that materialized souls, or even perfected soul-body interfaces, will ultimately die along with the world that sustains them.

And Kara no Kyoukai agrees: the moment an idea becomes “something,” it loses its purity. It becomes a defined object, limited and vulnerable. Abstract forms, like Infinity, or the Soul, only remain perfect while unmanifested. The instant they take shape in reality, they inherit the flaws of that reality. That is the foundation of the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception: anything that exists can die, because to exist is to fall short of the absolute.

Which is precisely why the Third Magic fails.

It promises “materialization of the soul” and “infinite magical energy,” but it doesn’t break the system: it simply exists within it. It’s still bounded by Gaia’s framework, and thus subject to decay, contradiction, and the ultimate heat death of the cosmos. Where other True Magics override the structure of the world, the Third merely clings to it. It is not transcendence. It is glorified persistence.

Roa once again speaks the truth in KT:

Even if one lacks a lifespan, they can still die from external forces, the deeper rules of creation, or from entities that arise from within those rules. In Type-Moon, immortality isn’t about avoiding age or pain. It’s about finding a way to evade the universe itself, and that is impossible. The very fact you exist makes you subject to the universe’s boundaries.

So what does the Third Magic really do?

It takes an abstract, eternal concept… and turns it into a lesser, flawed construct. One that will still die.

Sure, it’s not biological death.

But in metaphysical terms? The kind that actually matter in KnK or Mahoyo?

It’s still death.

So I have to ask again…

What is the Third really solving, or defying?

Because from where I’m standing, all it really shows us is that "immortality" is just a nicer word for "delayed decay."

The Third is explicitly presented as a direct response to the Second, and the phrase “had it stopped at the Third” implies it serves as a meaningful endpoint. While the Fourth remains unknown and mysterious, the Fifth simply accelerates an already natural, inevitable process toward the end. This positions the Third as the last “proper” magic; unlike the Fifth, which is obsolete or redundant, or the Fourth, which is “tethered and hidden.”

In this light, the Third addresses the branching possibilities introduced by the Second. As stated in Mahoyo, the Third “shows the future” in response to the Second’s infinite variations, and the expression “if it only stopped at the Third” underscores this, since the Fourth is unknown and the Fifth merely hastens an unavoidable conclusion, though with greater risk.

Framing it further: the First establishes and defines the laws of reality, the Second explores all possible variations within those laws, and the Third responds by revealing the future and acknowledging an ultimate endpoint: death. It illustrates that despite infinite possibilities, all paths converge on the same inevitable conclusion.

This is essentially the opposite of resisting death by seeking better vessels for the soul. As a counter to the infinite branching of the Second, the Third functions similarly to Araya’s concept of Stillness: suppressing chaotic variation to impose finality.

Could this Third magic then be related to the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception or the Mobius ring? Both symbolize inevitability and finality, suggesting the Third counters the Second by exposing how all change ultimately folds into the same inescapable dead end.

In stark contrast, Fate presents a complete reversal of the original philosophy. It overlays the older series with a more optimistic and naive worldview. Nasu himself admitted that after achieving success, he became more “virtuous” and found it difficult to remain faithful to the original source material. This shift gave rise to works like Future Gospel, which directly contradict the original Kara no Kyoukai novel by glorifying a hopeful, illusory struggle instead of deeply confronting and exploring the finality and consequences of the end.

If you’re curious, I made a thread detailing both the gradual overhaul Kara no Kyoukai underwent and the specific issues with Future Gospel compared to the real, original story that Nasu distorted.

This diluted version of Kara no Kyoukai is the one shoved into Fate through crossovers, leading to further distortions of the lore. For example, Void’s carefully established characterization is altered, and the First Magic, originally Araya’s cosmic, causality-halting power, is removed from him and reassigned to minor witches. Their strongest creation, Flat Snark, merely creates bounded fields that manipulate physics to fit fairy tale-like rules, which is a far weaker and less profound concept compared to Araya’s barriers that completely suspend causality and impose his will as a world-defining principle.

Fate also introduces even more egregious mistakes. For example, ORT, whose very existence is meant to rewrite reality to fit the logic of its home planet, is portrayed as vulnerable to something as trivial as a random brick, ignoring that physical power and strength should be mutable under its reality-altering rules. Additionally, Fate is schizophrenic in its depiction of the Archetype: it first claims the Archetype is merely the brain or memory database of a planet, a view hilariously contradicted by original Tsukihime canon on a fundamental level, before abruptly shifting to a more accurate interpretation of it as the soul of the planet.

And seriously… what?

20 tons is lighter than some vehicles. First, the speed of sound is slower than in real life:

The bullet left the barrel at a speed of 2500 inches per second, and was wrapped up in the spiral that moved at a divine speed. Even so, the .30-06 bullet still kept a straight path. It tore apart the Kevlar sleeve, clashing viciously with Kirei’s hardened arm, emitting alien sounds like the clash of two mill stones.

The scattering sparks seemed to distort the laws of physics; a supernatural phenomena where approximately 3000 pound-per-inch kinetic energy was forced to bend to the power of magecraft. A chill ran down Kiritsugu's spine as he watched the second Contender bullet's trajectory change. The bullet flew off at an angle, into the distance. -Fate/Zero - Volume 4: Act 16, page 445

....And now mountains aren’t actually as large as they should be? Fate can’t even keep reality straight. No wonder Nasu admitted his old self has “passed on”; there’s no way someone this careless can write the complex world-building that defined the older lore. It’s like Fate tries to insert technical details for flavor, but often doesn’t double-check the math or consistency.

People are absolutely mental to take Fate seriously, especially Grand Order, a phone game designed solely to drain money through addiction. So much for becoming more “virtuous,” huh, Nasu?

The truth is, Type-Moon long ago lost the deep writing and internal coherence that once defined it, and Fate was the catalyst for this decline. Perhaps the Third Magic itself was the very first subtle step toward this conversion.